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*RP Rules and Etiquette

Fri Jun 29, 2012, 2:30 AM
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Well now, it seems that a lot of people on DA, and across the internet for that matter, have a huge misconception about what Role Playing actually is, let alone the fact that they have no idea how to do it properly.  Most of those who are clueless are children (under 18) who not only have no idea what they are doing, but also clearly had no proper instruction, or very bad instruction, on how to Role Play correctly, let alone proper Role Play etiquette.  The rest of the clueless ones that are actually adults are one of four things: generally ignorant and need proper instruction, received bad instruction on how to RP, are arrogant jerks who think they are the center of the RP, or are drama queens seeking attention and will throw a childish tantrum if they don't get their way.

Me, I usually like to give people the benefit of the doubt and try to give them proper instructions on how to RP correctly.  As a lifetime RPer, from Live Action ReCreationism Role Play, to COStume PLAY, to Live Action Role Play, Table Top Role Paying Games, and on line forum, list, and chat Role Playing, I have extensive experience on how to Role Play correctly.  To that end, I am posting this journal as a guideline for real and serious RPers, including RP Etiquette and Rules that true RPers follow.  These are not my personal rules, these are rules and etiquette established before I was born by the father of all Role Playing Games, Gary Gygax himself, used in every RPG ever made since his own game, Dungeons & Dragons, was released in 1974, the year I was born, and have adapted to what you see below as On Line Role Playing has developed from traditional Table Top RPGs.



Role Play Posting Etiquette
:bulletred: Spamming the RP is not acceptable.  Spamming an RP and posting more than once without waiting for anyone else to reply is liable to earn you nothing less than being shut out from the RP.
:bulletred: God-Modding is unacceptable.  Every character can take hits, every character can take damage, and every character can be killed.  Please conduct yourself accordingly and do not have your characters super powerful, have god-like abilities, or dodging every hit.  God Modding is liable to earn you nothing less than being shut out from the RP.
:bulletred: Power playing is not acceptable.  Playing another person's character without permission will not be allowed.  If necessary, confer with the other character's RPer to negotiate combined actions for posts, or imply your character's intention and follow up action if their intent succeeds.  Power Playing is liable to earn you nothing less than being shut out from the RP.
:bulletred: Character killing is not acceptable.  There will be absolutely no character killing permitted in the RP without prior negotiations with that character's RPer first!  There will be no exceptions!  Killing someone else's character without consent or permission is liable to earn you nothing less than being shut out from the RP.
:bulletred: No short one liner posts!  Be creative! Get into the spirit of things and let people read your character's thoughts and feelings, some inspiration and motivation for your character, anything, just make it interesting.  Typing a one word or short one sentence reply to a full and detailed RP post gets annoying fast.  While there is no word count minimum, the general rule of thumb is "try for at least 50-100 words."  If you end up typing a one thousand word post, that's perfectly okay too!
:bulletred: Be realistic with your posts.  If your character is hit, give them appropriate damage to the hit.  For example – In a Transformers based RP, if your character is human and Megatron shoots him with his fusion cannon, I'm sorry but your character is dead.  If a Transformer is hit with a blast from that same cannon, he is going to be hurting.  Be realistic and have fun with it.
:bulletred: There is something called spell check, please use it. Please use proper spelling and grammar with your posts, and proofread them!  It is very hard to read posts with spelling and grammar errors, misplaced words, or missing words, in an RP post.  Please be kind to the other RPers and at least type like you paid attention in English class at school.
:bulletred: Absolutely no 1337 Speak, Chat Speak, LOL Speak, Internet Slang, Text Speak, or Text Short Hand will be allowed in any RP posts!  We do not want to see it anywhere on the boards and repeated use of it in the RP is liable to earn you nothing less than being shut out from the RP.
:bulletred: One-Upmanship: Just don't do it. Pulling the "Yeah, and my character can do this" attitude and continually trying to One-Up other people's characters makes the rest of us want to either not RP with you or leave the site entirely. It is as immature as God Modding and refusing to let your characters be damaged by enemy fire. JUST DON'T DO IT!
:bulletred: Keep personal Drama out of the RP! If you have an issue between you and another RPer, take it to Private Chat. Drama Baiting and Drama Mongering in public view drives away established members of the RP as well as new or potential members. If you have Real Life issues that are preventing you from posting promptly, politely excuse yourself from the RP. If you are simply having a bad day/week/whatever, do not take it out on others. While many do offer sympathy to those who are having an especially hard time, airing one's dirty laundry continuously is rude and annoying. It is also considered drama queen attention seeking and is liable to earn you nothing less than being shut out from the RP and likely cause others to turn away and ignore you.

Ratings – Keep the posts and storylines to PG-13 rating!  This means you do not go into graphic detail of your characters sexual escapades.  Use common sense and "Fade to Black" if such things do occur in the RP.  As for battle scenes, while it is okay to describe injuries and damage, try to not be too grotesquely graphic.  Going into morbid detail about internal organs hanging out and how much blood is gushing from a wound is unnecessary.

Abusive Language and Sexual Harassment – Abuse and harassment of other RPers will not be tolerated.  If you are found to be committing such acts, you will be subject to nothing less than being shut out from the RP, and possibly being reported to the authorities, especially with regard to any sexual harassment.

Theft – Do not copy or steal another person's work! Meaning writing, poems, songs, art, anything someone else made and you claim as your own is considered theft. The exceptions to this are things like using official character images for Icons and Signature images for canon characters, as well as canon information for character bios. While it looks cool or may be well written, always credit your sources! You may have created the compiled images and bio for the character, but the pictures and information you used were not created by you. If the bio is for a canon character, do the research and write it yourself, do not steal one written by someone else. If the character is an OC, do not steal someone else's character, images, or information.

Creating Your Character – When bringing in a character (canon or original) into an established RP, go by the character bio template provided when making your PC (Permanent Character) and follow how it is to be filled out.  Often on RP sites and forums, character bios are required to be posted with that character's account. The ONLY character bios posted on such sites and forums are for the RP.  DO NOT post character bios for fan fics or from other RPs off site as it causes confusion and misunderstandings they would rather avoid.

Member and Character Account Names – To avoid confusion and potential issues with other RPers, especially on an RP site or forum, DO NOT use Character names for your Member Account, especially Canon Character names. This creates confusion and can potentially create hard feelings where none were intended when people start using Canon Character names for their Member Account names and someone is already playing that character. Also, do not use names for Member or Character Accounts that are offensive to others, especially derogatory terms. If you are unsure if a name is offensive or derogatory, it's best not to use it.  Such offensive and abusive names will only earn you the label of "Troll" and cause you to be banned from the RP in question.



I have taught quite a few people how to properly conduct themselves in various Role Playing venues (note that Cosplay is not actually Role Play, it is strictly playing dress-up in costumes like Halloween, thus its name – Costume Play or Cosplay).  I have run campaigns and built campaign worlds, as well as created quite a few detailed and well fleshed out characters for various Worlds, Universes, and Fandoms, including Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, Gamma World, Marvel Universe, Battle Tech, Vampire the Masquerade, Werewolf the Apocalypse, Rifts, Society for Creative Anachronism, Star Trek, Star Wars, Transformers, and others.  I am also a natural researcher and innate organizer, much to the delight and occasional dismay of some of my friends.  **smirks and winks at Catalyst**  So I have quite a lot of knowledge and experience in this sort of thing.

Now, do note that this account is my Personal Art Account, not an RP account.  I RP on established RP sites, forums, and lists, not willy nilly random on an ART site.  Some would argue that Role Playing is an art form, and normally I would agree with that.  However, this particular "Art Form" does not belong on DA; though the posting of RP character bios on Deviant Art and posting stories that result from RPs (in story form, not in RP posting form, and only with permission and full credit to all involved in the writing of said RP story) on Deviant Art is perfectly reasonable and I would not argue against such postings.  But actual RPing in chat and comments on Deviant Art is tedious, lawless, uncontainable, uncontrollable, and frankly pointless.  The reason I say this is because with trying to have an RP on DA, you can't establish set rules, timeline, or storyline and plots for the RP to follow, you can't limit who sees the RP, you can't keep random people from coming in and crashing the RP, and you can't keep someone from trying to take over the RP.  This is why RPing simply does not belong on DA, though doing so is not strictly against DA rules.  RPing belongs on closed and controlled sites and forums set up for that very purpose so established staff members can oversee and maintain the RP, set up rules and protocol, storyline, plot lines, and story timeline for the RP, control membership and board access, and remove troublemakers from the boards.

While I can see having a personal art account and a professional art account on Deviant Art (to keep your private and professional works separated), any more than that is just ridiculous.  Having multiple RP accounts on DA is honestly pointless since Deviant Art is not an appropriate place for RPing.  Also, having multiple separate accounts for each hobby or whatever you're into on DA is beyond pointless when you can so much more easily make multiple folders in your gallery to post your varied interests and hobbies in.  Also, making accounts to pretend you're someone else or for trolling and harassing someone is just childish and stupid, as is lying and deceiving others for whatever reason.  There is nothing that will validate or excuse such idiotic behavior as far as I'm concerned.

And to those of you who believe this is a personal attack against certain individuals (including yourselves) who clearly have poor RP skills or who insist upon having multiple accounts on DA, it is not. This is a general resource and information journal for anyone to utilize to improve themselves, like any other such journal I have posted.  However, I do know there are those who will take this as a personal attack against them, and honestly, if they are so insecure, petty, and vain as to believe that, that's their problem and I frankly don't care.  I have better things to do with my time than to post personal attacks against people on the internet.  Openly laughing at someone's inept stupidity however, is another story.  **chuckles**

You can find further reading regarding characters and Role Playing in my What REALLY Defines a Mary Sue/Gary Stu Character journal.



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AngelicaVonAnarchy Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Professional General Artist
I've never tired any *real* role-plays honestly, because I've always felt intimidated by other people who set rules and such. I love these guidelines, though. To me, these just seem like common sense; then again not everyone has been blessed with much of that. ;p 
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
These are the general rules that I and those who RP with me follow, along with the RP mechanics rules for whatever we're RPing.  I figured they were pretty straight forward common sense, and yet getting on line I was astounded by just how many "RPers" literally either had no idea or just didn't care about the rules.  **shakes head**  You shouldn't feel intimidated by RP rules people set down unless they are overbearing and excessive (and yes, I have run into RPs like that - excessive emphasis on a high minimum word count (250+) per post and in every section of a character bio, for one).  I think RPing, like Acting, is about self confidence and imagination really.  For the RPer, it's also about bringing a character you created to life and giving them adventures to play in; but above all, the whole point of an RP should be to have fun.  If it's not fun, there's something wrong.  **smiles**
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Gharanth Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This is brilliant. For too long there have been rude RPers around. Thank you so much for this wonderful guide to etiquette which should be read by everyone prior to playing for the first time, or indeed at any time.

Kudos and a huge :hug: to you.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you very much. **hugs** And you're very welcome.
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zypherion Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Being long time RPer myself, I generally agree with nearly all of what you put above except for the notation of putting the thoughts of a character in poses. I had a fellower RPer rather bluntly and nastily tell me point blank that such was inappropriate since he couldn't possibly respond to thoughts that he cannot hear. All he could go on was actions and actual spoken words. The guy was a douche, but he had a point. Unless someone is playing a mind reader character there really is no point putting thoughts into a pose. Just my humble 2 cents.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The guy was a douche and he was also very wrong. Think of an RP the same way you would think about writing a novel, the only difference is that with a novel only one person (sometimes two) is writing the story, while in an RP several people are writing the story post by post, and each RP thread is a chapter or a scene within a chapter in the novel. The point of including character thoughts and character Point of View is to give greater depth to the characters and the story for the reader to see and understand the depths of both, including motives and plans within the setting.

Just because another RPer's character can't respond to it does not in any way mean that such should not be included in the post. What about closed coms or communications over Spark bonds (Transformers), telepathy, or soul bonds that only those connected can hear while everyone else is left out of the loop? Must those closed or otherwise private and inaccessible communications be left out of the RP posts because one self-righteous glory-hound douche-monkey gets his nickers in a twist because his character can't respond to it? I think not. **winks**

The fact that he was apparently extremely rude (based on your description) about enforcing his views and forcing others to do things his way tells me two things:
1. He's a control freak with severe entitlement issues who very childishly attacks others and throws temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way in everything at all times.
2. He has severe delusions of believing that he is the supreme authority over his chosen subject and no one is going to tell him otherwise no matter how laughably wrong he is.

**chuckles** I don't know about you, but I frankly tend to completely disregard and ignore such overinflated egotestical morons when they start spouting their blubbery drivel at me in an attempt to force me to change my views or how I do things that I personally have found works very well, not only for me but for quite a few others as well. Take that as you will, but please note that my response is in no way a slight against you, merely correcting the erroneous line of thought so rudely rammed down your throat by the egotestical douche-monkey you had the misfortune of dealing with. **smiles** As well as to hopefully offer you a bit of a chuckle while reading my reply. **winks**
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zypherion Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for your reply. Since that particular incidence, I avoided this individual as much as I could. Unfortunately though there is a very popular location where many hang out on the grid, this individual tends to claim a particular spot with his family. Hard to avoid reading his type of RP when he comes into the location after I am there. Luckily though he's not been there in some months, or I've just had the good fortune of missing him. I find it amusing that he has posed at other characters of mine, not knowing that its me. I respond to be polite only. I suppose I could tell him to take a long walk off a short pier if I choose to be a douche myself. But to be honest with you I firmly believe in kharma. This individual has literally pigeon holed himself into RP with just his family and the few individuals who are willing to be polite to him because he's high up in one of the guilds.

At any rate, he shot me that page because I was pose thinking towards him in particular. I admit that the guy set off my passive aggressive tendencies and frankly I don't regret what I posed in return.

There will always be people like him, as well as line/grammar nazi types who get spazzed out the moment you misspell, get your grammar wrong, or *gasp* have the nerve to give them a perfectly good one liner in response to a multi-liner.

Personally I find reading a multi-liner that takes up the entire screen total gas-baggery. When you get another doing the same thing in a very busy room. Well forget having a nice conversation with someone because your lines just got pushed off the screen by the dueling screen long poses. Even a 50-100 word pose is pretty lengthy. I know you state its just a general guideline. But folks should know that it's okay to shoot out short poses too if they are stuck with how to describe the reaction of their character.

There is also limitations of individual players to take into account. I have run into an individual who literally was typing with one hand because he was hemiplegic (one side of his body didn't work). Then you have folks that suffer from tendonitis or other physically debilitating issues. A player reading limited liners really should take such things into account.
That's my next two cents. :)
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, in a chat room which is what it sounds like you're doing, yeah, kinda hard to post more than a line or two. What I'm talking about is on actual RP forums. Though I have pulled the Wall-O-Text in chat box RPs before though. XD

Honestly, I'd suggest going to an actual structured RP on forums rather than chat rooms for three reasons: One, there's more freedom that you have to be able to type up longer posts; two, it's not a free-for-all thing, it actually has a particular circle of members and troublemakers are quickly removed from the forum; and three, your RP is archived automatically and is easy to find so you can go back and read them again if you wish, or even turn them into stories. I think you might enjoy RPing there better. You can even create your own RP forum on ProBoards or InvisionFree and you n your RP friends on this chat thing you're on can set up your own RP without mister douche-monkey interfering with your RP, and you can add a Chatango chat box in the sidebar or at the top of one of the boards specifically for real time chat RPing as well. Nice thing about the chat boxes is that you can make them as big as you want so there's room for longer posts and having an RP chat and a chat chat will keep conversations from getting lost between RP posting. And those with limitations like you mention would be better able to not only read RP posts at their leisure, but also be able to take their time typing longer posts without being rushed and having to type fast because of the speed requirements of posting in chat rooms.

I find forum RP boards a lot more enjoyable and relaxing than open global chat rooms, and if everyone in the thread is on line, the posts come about as quick as in a chat and you just let the others know in the chat box you posted in the thread. Have a look around at some of the RP forums and you'll see what I mean. Then you wouldn't have to deal with that guy and people like him. It's your choice though.
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zypherion Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't RP over chat or chat rooms, and I tried a RP board once and I felt like the third wheel trying to fit on a unicycle. Some people are just... well... elitist and enjoy their little clique of RP friends, making the newcomer feel out of the loop by not trying too hard to include them in RP. My RP is all MUSH related. A good deal of that RP isn't guided by a plot, though plots do happen. Anyway, thank you for the options but I doubt they'll work out for me. I guess I'm just too old and too marked for life by other RPers...
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
MUSHs, MUDDs, and MUCKs are actually chat rooms/channels, you do realize... right? And like I said, you could create your own RP forum and take your friends there to RP with them away from the elitist nutjobs and douch-monkeys. But like I said, the choice is yours. **smiles**
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zypherion Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't consider Mushes to be chat rooms, but you are free to do so. *smiles* And tbh with you I really don't have friends so there'd be no point of making a forum.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That is your choice.
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katie0202 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
interesting, i was wondering if you knew any RP sites for people who are just starting out, sadly i cannot find one and on my last RP site i could find no one willing to allow me to join and at least try it out, plus im not very good with instructions and most of time cannot use forum RPs since i'm very bad with the controls, just wondering if you could please hep me out
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zypherion Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Why limit yourself to just board forums? There are plenty of mushes out there and many of them are newbie friendly. Heck the one I'm on 'Dawning Age of Cybertron' has a brand new to RP person that we are helping out. Just find a niche you enjoy and ask for help.
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katie0202 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don’t use board forums, excuse me for not explaining better, I’m not good with the controls of board forums so I try to find simple websites to use, I found one that looked suitable and yet the players happened to be advanced and not wanting a "noob" to ruin it or simply rude and after five or six attempts to join an RP on said site I gave up on the idea, but if you happen to know of any good newbie friendly sites I’m willing to look at anything really, but just to add I don’t really RP transformers, in fact I found this on a group I joined, not because im a fan of RP-ing it
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zypherion Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wish I could help you but I'm pretty exclusive to TF based stuff. I wish you luck though.
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katie0202 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The controls on ProBoards forums are fairly straight forward and easy to use. However, following instructions and rules is a requirement on any site or forum. If you can't follow instructions or rules, then there's nothing anyone can do to help you. **shrugs**
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katie0202 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
no i meant that im very bad with directions on how to use the site
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, well, like I said, ProBoards is a pretty straight forward forum site to use. As easy as, if not easier than, DA.
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katie0202 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
oh, well thank you then
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome.
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purpleshadowbooster Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
The short liner one. I do that even now and then. Same time i can do long post but must of the time i have to change my words become i can't spell the word. (I am dyslexic so spelling must words are hard for me. If i spell a word wrong a red line is under the word and i right click to see if i can get the right word.)

I let my chars get damage or hurt. I talk with my RPer if i get any ideas of killing off my own char to make the Rp more fun :P
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
**chuckles** And you have now become my proof of point to people who insist on butchering the English language! Thank you! I have friends who are dyslexic and they use spell check all the time, whether it's built into their web browser or in Microsoft Word (or its Mac equivalent). And here you are, not only stating plainly that you do have trouble spelling because of dyslexia, but that you also very clearly describe how you use spell check. Bravo, seriously. You also sound like a good and thoughtful RPer, thank you for that.

I noticed though that while you spell the words correctly, you do miss-type the wrong words here and there. Fixing those mistakes comes with practice and proofreading. I have a friend who could barely type at a first to third grade level because not only did she have dyslexia, she was never taught how to write (let alone speak) proper English because of her learning disabilities (dyslexia and difficulty understanding what she is reading). After working with her for a year, her writing skill level and reading comprehension rocketed up to high school level and she continues to improve, all because I sat down and helped her see her mistakes and be able to catch and correct them herself through proofreading. And when I would give her corrected words (whether spelling, grammar, or the wrong form of a word was used) I would give her the definitions to both the incorrect word and the correct word so she could see and remember the difference. It helped her immensely and she has even been teaching others the tricks I taught her. **smiles**
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purpleshadowbooster Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Spell check is my life saver when it came to RPing. With out it i would have to fight with Microsoft Word (It like to freeze up a lot on me.) That is why i enjoy RPing. I can learn to spell one word at my own speed and then after while of using that one word i can spell it on my own.


Mom interrupting her reply ;-). Thank you for being supportive of her. And yes the school system here did a crap job with learning. She never was taught grammar or how to write. Thanks to her tutor and the opportunities to chat with folks online (and my support) she has improved tremendously over the last few years. Hope she takes your suggestions and advice seriously.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That's good. There are so many good and useful tools that help out so much with writing. I'm really glad to see that your mother is encouraging you in learning further from others willing to teach, and keeping a close monitor of those you communicate with on line. I wish more parents would actually act like parents to their kids. Hugs to both of you, and don't ever stop learning and writing. **smiles**
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purpleshadowbooster Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Yup. I feel like i done a lot even if it baby step i still feel like i got stuff done. I love talking to poeple i mode friends with. It fun to get to know same one :D I will not. I will keep learning and i will keep writing. I have story for a char i mode that i need to work on :)
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
**nods** Good to hear.
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mamabot Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012
Question: Defining theft:

If someone takes my OC from here and decides to RP them in another forhem, would you concider that theft?
I've had some people approach me about RP and seeing this and hearing other rumors, I'm a bit concerned. Do you have a suggestion where I can check to see if someone has "stolen" my OC for their own RP character? I am not well educated in RPing, and you have given me a better window into that world. Thank you.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes I would consider that theft, very much so. Taking and using someone else's personal creation without permission is in fact theft. While this does not apply to fandom RP's hosting canon characters (like Transformers RP's) as these are public domain and established within the fandom. But an OC is governed and protected by a different set of rules. Private creation (your OC) vs public creation (canon fandom characters). This does not permit someoner to take a canon character and claim it as their own, however, it only permits them to write a bio for the character and role play with that character while admitting and acknowledging that they do not own said character, the original creator does. Because it is very hard to confirm who originally created a fan character or OC, using someone else's character in an RP is strictly forbidden in any honest or respectable RP venue. As for where to look, all I can say is keep an eye out for forums and sites that feature the fandom your character was made for and poke around. Hopefully you don't find anything.

And you are most welcome hon, always happy to help out where I can.
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mamabot Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012
Thank you. I think I need to start digging just to CYA myself. I've noticed here on da, I don't see dates as to when something has originally posted (unless I'm being a dutz and just can't find it) FF does, I'm thinking of dating my stuff now too for more CYA.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
On Deviant Art, take a look on the right in that stack of info and you will see a "Date Posted" listing. You can also include that in the image itself if you wish. Hope that helps.
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mamabot Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012
OOOHHH THANKS!!!!
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
XD No problem.
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TheSkandranon Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Finally, someone taking the time to tell people how to do things. I've been rping for only a couple years, and had to learn the hard way. Although I'm not always a fan of typing long descriptive rps, though I can do them. It just seems to me that another character might have thought of doing something that happened in the middle of the narrative, but is now not able to do it since that part had past. But in all, I totally agree with what you are saying. Thanks again ^_^
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You're quite welcome, and thank you. As for long posts, 50 to 100 words is actually quite short when you consider it fully. Like I said to another commenter here --> [link] , there is a lot you can do in 50 words that still leaves things open for others and gives them more to respond to. **smiles**
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TheSkandranon Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Oh I know 50-100 words really isn't that long. I'm a writer. I've even turned one of my Bleach rps into a fanfic, and am planning on doing it for one of my Naruto rps. Just not yet. Got two current fanfics that I'm writing, and another one I want to do for a Halloween contest.

But I've gotten a little off subject, lol. But even with how short 50-100 words really is, it can also be a little constricting sometimes
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Cool, good luck with those. **smiles**

Hmm, I've never had that problem myself, nor have I seen it happen; and I've been RPing on line since 1998 (age 24), LARP and Tabletop RPG's since I was 18 (and Cosplay at conventions since I was 19 while doing costumes outside of conventions for several years prior to that), and doing live action re-creationism role playing since I was 5 (Black Powder Rendezvous and later Medieval Ren Faires mainly). We each have our own experiences, which is to be expected. But as I said, I've never seen shorter posts end up constraining other RPers except to say there was too little in the post to respond to. **shrugs**
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Amenrenet Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012
Just my 2 cents on this:

A minimum post length, while a good rule of thumb, isn't always feasible. I know some great RPers in my group who can pull off some epic scenes, but they struggle with putting together really long descriptive blurbs. Also, if your character makes a facial expression, sometimes it's easier to just use a text-based smilie than to try and figure out how to describe it. And sometimes you may face a situation where a longer post just isn't necessary. Say there's a sudden loud noise. Characters may jump, look around, flinch, or make some brief exclamation like "WTF was that!?" but such actions and phrases are brief. Length is good, but sometimes short and sweet also do the trick.
And sometimes the medium used to roleplay can affect that as well. My friends and I RP using Yahoo Instant Messenger because it's fast and convenient. However, due to the speed at which events can get happening, as well as the above-mentioned thing about some of my friends not being good with long descriptions, we usually post in script-format. It CAN work, if you do it right.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed, and the minimum post length is not a hard and fast "word count minimum" rule, but a guideline, and "try for at least 50 to 100 words" literally means what it says. It's actually surprisingly easy to describe something with around 50 words or more that most lazy or inexperienced RPers would only type as He looked up in shock and yelled "What the hell was that?!" While not necessarily a bad post, there is still a lot more that can be done with that which would quickly build up to a much longer post that is far more enjoyable to read as well as giving the other RPers more to respond to. What is the character thinking or feeling? Where is he looking? Does he turn to someone else in the room? Does he go to investigate the disturbance? Does he draw weapons as a precaution? Does he try to hide or protect something or someone from the perceived threat? And more. If there is an occasional short post, it's not the end of the world, but constant short posts get extremely annoying very quickly which is why the rule is there.

But on the other side, requiring a set word count minimum is just as annoying as constant one word or one liner posts. I've been on an RP forum that required a minimum word count of no less than 200 words in every post, no exceptions and they would get very bitchy if you didn't follow that rule to the letter. I even had a character bio I wrote (it was for Ratchet, funny enough) rejected simply because one section did not have the required word count minimum (it was short by like 30 words or something), despite the fact that the whole thing was as detailed as I could make it and provided all the necessary information about the character. They got so hung up on word count minimum for literally everything from RP posts to each and every section of a character bio that during the entire month I was on that site I saw a grand total of four RP posts on the whole site while my bro and I posted over seven pages of RP posts (and every post was at least 200 words mind you) in one thread within a week. I even asked if I could set up a crossover post to get others into the same thread and was told yes, then the next thing I knew, not only was my post in their thread ignored, but the thread my bro and I had been working on was locked and moved to the closed thread board even though it was unfinished and we were waiting on them to post. Then we got booted off the site for "inactivity" when we were waiting on their slow-as-molasses-in-winter posting, which all the posts from them that I saw were simply rehashing other people's posts with barely 50 words of their own added. That is not RPing, that's being lazy. The only things we copied from each other was strictly dialogue and then typed up actions, descriptions, and dialogue in response to each line of dialogue the other posted (one dialogue sentence copied, paragraph reply added, next dialogue sentence copied, paragraph reply, etc). Thus the vast majority of our posts were our own work with maybe a sentence or two of the other character's "spoken words" included for clarity. What they were doing was copying as many as 4 posts previously typed by others then adding a short post at the end just so they could exceed the word count requirement. Ergo, laziness on their part, yet we were punished for waiting on them to post. >.<

All the other RPing I've done in text based mediums, whether instant messenger, chat rooms, email lists, or forums, longer posts were encouraged but not required and one word or one liner posts were frowned upon or discouraged. Other than that one site which was obsessed with minimum word count requirements on everything, no word count minimum was ever set, it was simply "be descriptive with your replies". It really is very easy to end up with a post that gets to around 50 words, give or take a few, simply by being a little creative and descriptive, just as easily as I tend to write posts that range from a mere 200 words to upwards of 3,000 words in a single RP post. Ask anyone I RP with, they're used to my mini novella postings. **chuckles** Many actually find it pretty entertaining actually. "Grab the hard hats and get in the bunker quick! Katt's dropping a wall-o-text on us!" All in good fun of course. XD
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Zarak342 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2012
I mostly agree though there's a few things I dissagree with. One would be the rating thing you mention. It's true, you should keep it PG-13 when you're rping with a new person, but you make it sound a bit like it's way bad to go beyond PG-13 at any point. I personally enjoy the gory details and have no problem RPing that with my friends.

And I dissagree that DA isn't a good place to RP. I think it's an excellent place to do it, especially with easy access to creating and using the chats. Those can be very personal. Though, yes, the whole account-character plus comment RP should be... limited.

But over and all, a great guide to people who doesn't know! I've once considered doing something similar so I'm pleased to see the information out :)
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The PG-13 rating is meant for any RP that is publicly visible or will be. In private RP's you can go as hard core as you feel comfortable with. My main point was for in general and public RP's. **smiles**

The thing is, Deviant Art is an Art site, not a role playing forum. It's honestly not appropriate here. There are IM programs like Skype that would be better suited for RPing, especially when you can easily add people to conversations if you really want to have a Private RP. You can also create forums on sites like InvisionFree or Proboards and lock RP boards so only members can even see them. There are far better places to RP, and like I said, DA is just not an appropriate place for RPing. This is an Art site, not an RP site.

**nods** Always happy to help. **smiles**
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Zarak342 Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2012
Ah, of course, makes sense.

Oh, I think we're looking on two different ways to RP on deviantart. I'm guessing you're talking about over comments and on deviants and stuff like that? I'm mostly refering to the chatrooms where it's not visible to people and it doesn't stick around on the site, heh :]
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Even the chat rooms aren't good for that. The DA Staff can and do monitor them and they do not archive any of the chat so you end up losing everything. But yes, comments are completely inappropriate for RPing, and notes, though mostly private, are just as bad. The DA Staff can view those as well. All the way around, DA is simply not an appropriate platform for RPing. There are far better places for that than DA, believe me.
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Shadowulf1 Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Rules to live by, when RPing.

I'll definitely keep these in mind when next RPing.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
**smiles** Always happy to help out.
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Shadowulf1 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:)
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rougeangel01 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
These are just my thoughts but i believe the point in RPing is to have fun and be creative. I am a serious RPer and my friend who I RP with all the time, we both do it as a way to have fun and relax and by saying there are rules that one has to follow in order to be a good RPer is not right. Again I am just putting my thoughts out there but why should one have to follow rules to RP?.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, RPing is supposed to be fun and creative. However, if you read the specific rules mentioned above, they are generally understood "Laws of the Land" that most RPers follow whether the rules are discussed/written or not. Mostly they are common sense that good RPers automatically follow, but there are actually people who clearly do not have such sense, common or otherwise.
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rougeangel01 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
I understand this but who has the right to say weither someone is a good RPer or not I do not follow thoes rules so by your logic and according to what your journal states because I do not follow thoes rules I am not a good RPer when in fact I think of myself as a good Rper. Not everyone follows the "Laws of the Land" as you say and for thoes who dont follow the laws does that make them bad RPers?
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