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You know, I really get sick and tired of people insisting that things are canon when they are not.  Take the whole Optimus Prime x Elita One thing for example.  I have looked this up and frankly, everyone who insists on pairing them together outside of the G1 continuity is quite misguided.  They were ONLY ever together in G1, while in Shattered Glass Elita One was with Hotrod and in the live movie continuity she was apparently interested in Sideswipe.  And Elita One is not and never was a Prime!  >.<  Seriously, do your research, people!  The glyph on the side of the purple motorcycle in Revenge of the Fallen is the one listed as the letter "O", the "Prime" glyph is listed as the letter "Q".  There is a big difference there.  Seriously.  --> leathurkatt.deviantart.com/art…

In fact, Elita was actually mad at Optimus, calling him selfish for accepting the title and responsibilities as Prime, and was angry at him because she died and when she was resurrected she had yet more Decepticons she had to kill, plus expressing jealousy that when Optimus died his friends cared about him, but thinks no one cared about her when she was killed.  Read Transformers - Dark of the Moon: Foundations and Transformers - Dark of the Moon: Rising Storm.  It tells you all of that in there, and those are Hasbro licensed IDW official canon comics, not some random fan fic or knockoff manga somewhere.  O.o  Also, Ironhide was not with Chromia in the movie continuity either, they were only together in G1 as well.

People seriously need to get over what happened in G1 and stop mixing continuity story-lines.  Taking one character and rewriting their history to bring them from G1 to Movie Verse for an RP is one thing, hell Hasbro did that just to MAKE the live movies in the first place.  But mixing continuity story-lines and claiming that what happened in one continuity is canon for ALL of them is beyond misguided.  As is the claims that Optimus and Elita are "brother and sister" because Alpha Trion repaired and rebuilt Orion Pax and Ariel in the episode "War Dawn", and that Alpha Trion is their Father.  It would be the same as saying that a couple who are in a car wreck and are saved (put back together) by the same doctor are suddenly brother and sister and that the doctor who saved them is somehow their father.  Hello, it doesn't work that way.  In G1, Optimus Prime and Elita One are NOT brother and sister, they are a bonded couple, and while Alpha Trion is looked on as a father figure by both of them, he is NOT their Father, he did NOT spawn them from his own Spark.

And this whole insistence on crack pairings is insane.  Take TF Prime Arcee for example, she is not and will never be interested in ANY Decepticon, EVER!  And just because Arcee and Optimus were freezing to death and she said "It's been an honor serving with you." does NOT mean they are a couple!  There is a LOT more "subtext" of Arcee being interested in or paired with Cliffjumper (or Tailgate for that matter) than that one scene with her and Optimus, never mind the fact that there's a LOT more "subtext" between Arcee and Bumblebee; Bee showing concern when she was dizzy from the Dark Energon and him helping her to the bath, Bee jumping and catching her to carry her back through the ground bridge, Arcee trying to keep Bee calm when Raf was injured, among quite a few other scenes in just the first season.  If we remember that in G1 and in the live movie continuity, Bumblebee was Cliffjumper's "kid brother", and if we follow that reasoning into TF Prime (Cliffjumper and Bumblebee rescued Arcee from Airachnid in the flashback scene in "Predatory"), it would make sense that Arcee would have some attachment to Bumblebee as Cliffjumper's little brother, kind of a big sister little brother sort of thing if nothing else.  And it was stated in canon in the episode "Stronger Faster" that Breakdown very clearly has a thing for Airachnid.  Stop trying to pair him with Knockout already!  It's just as wrong as trying to pair Ratchet and Bulkhead together just because they work together, or saying Optimus and Megatron were lovers just because they once shared a common goal of freedom for all their kind against an oppressive Caste System.  Being friends or partners on missions or in combat does NOT make them lovers, people.  Seriously.

Transformers fans REALLY need to stop with this obsession over sex, crack pairings, and Transformers having sex the way humans do.  They are NOT organic beings, they are ROBOTS!  Not only that, they are ALIEN ROBOTS!  And outside of recreational pleasure among techno organics in Beast Wars and Beast Machines, Transformers do not have sex or reproduce like organic creatures do.  Trying to make Transformers out to have or do things like we do is completely human egocentric garbage.  Try reading what I have compiled and written based on canon and expanded based on logic and real science before you start making such erroneous claims about Transformers intimacy and reproduction --> leathurkatt.deviantart.com/jou…

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LethitaIzzy Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Student General Artist
Ah, I should've read more of the comments below mine, I see what you meant - and for sure, I agree. I try to always make sure I've either done my homework, or disclaim that I don't KNOW the right answer and my ideas may not be the "right" or the "only" way. Hopefully that means we'll get along? Because I'm enjoying the interesting things you're bringing up.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
**nods** It's always best to do one's homework on things, no matter what it is. I think we'll get along quite well. **smiles** I like making new friends after all.
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LethitaIzzy Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Student General Artist
This was definitely an interesting read. It's nice to see the opinions of someone from other side of the spectrum that I usually come across, for sure.

Let me make sure I'm correct: the insistence that certain pairings, methods of reproduction/sex, and so forth ARE canon is what actually bothers you, not that these fan-interpretations exist at all, right? As in, so long as we don't go around trying to tell everyone that these things are pure canon, and we acknowledge that some of our ideas are not correct according to the cartoons/comics/continuities, it's okay to have them? Or was the rant more intended to say that no one should be entertaining non-canonical ideas at all? (I doubt that's what you meant, but you still lost me a little bit, there. I don't know you very well yet, so I just wanted to clarify. Please don't take it the wrong way!)

Either way, from having been a long-time participant in a lot of changing and growing fanbases, I have learned one thing for sure - part of being a fan of anything is being able to let go when other fans enjoy the same thing in a different way. My one nitpick for you is that some of us, especially newcomers to any fandom (and there will be newcomers as long as the media is available to new watchers), may not be aware that there IS research to do on the subject, or that we could get ourselves into such hot water with other fans by "getting it wrong." Still, I certainly relate to your frustration with people wrongly interpreting their own impressions as canon, and I like what you had to say here very much. It's a refresher and a relief to see I'm not the only one who's had these thoughts. Thank you~
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
My only issue with fan pairings are those that are completely out of character for the characters involved. IE "crack pairings" or pairings that make zero sense between the characters at all, like Arcee with any Decepticon (she would sooner kill said Decepticon than get in bed with any of them), or anyone paired with Starscream (considering even his own Trine mates hate him). That is what I have issues with, as well as people insisting that the pairings they come up with are canon when they are not, like insisting that Knockout and Breakdown are a canon couple when they are not and never were anything more than working partners. I even point out that Breakdown very clearly stated in canon that he was "intrigued by" Airachnid, making it very clear he was interested in her as more than just a co-worker, yet I get people insisting that I am utterly wrong and that Knockout and Breakdown are a romantic couple who share a bed and interface with each other every night. **facepalms** What people seem to not comprehend is the fact that "working partners do NOT equal bed mates" yet they insist that it does. **shakes head**
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LethitaIzzy Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012  Student General Artist
Everything you said is true, first of all.

Still, while I agree that we shouldn't try to pass off our own ideas as canon, I also don't think we need to limit the ideas we have or the ways we enjoy something. I absolutely see where you're coming from, but I must respectfully disagree on just that one part. YES, out of respect for the things we all are coming together to appreciate, we should be big enough to recognize and admit when our ideas aren't part of the widely-accepted story, BUT there's also nothing wrong with enjoying and sharing ideas that aren't true to a certain media's universe.

Besides, some of it is just enjoyment for enjoyment's sake, and it's okay not to take everything deadly seriously, at least sometimes. There's a place for serious canon, semi-canon, research-lacking misinterpreted canon, AUs, crack, and everything in between. That's part of having a fandom, and no one can blame you or anybody else for having your preferred part of it - least of all me, since I participate in the entire spectrum. I like by-the-manual canon, and I like completely weird and crack-tastic things too. I just hope despite our different outlooks, it's still cool that I'm starting to look up to you as an interesting and informative fan.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I can understand that people have their own interests and likes, and I don't hold any of that against them. But for me, to go into stupidity like spoofs and OOC crack pairings, low brow Neanderthal toilet humor, and other things of that nature with something I have dearly loved since childhood, it's insulting and degrading to the characters and stories I cherish and frankly a slap in the face against me and what I love.

Take Star Wars for example. I grew up with Star Wars and love the original trilogy. I even had a crush on Luke Skywalker when I was 8 or 9 and dressed up as Admiral Akbar for Halloween one year (and got mad because everyone kept calling me E.T.). I can not stand the spoof movie Space Balls at all. I've seen it once, I was honestly disgusted by it and will never watch it again. It was a slap in the face to me and the characters I loved, making fun of them for no reason than to degrade and insult a fandom and its devoted fans.

It's the same with Transformers, Star Trek, Knight Rider, Airwolf, Thundercats, Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, Lord of the Rings, Beast Master, Planet of the Apes, Labyrinth, The Dark Crystal, The Muppets (or any other Jim Henson production really), Watership Down, The Secret of NIMH, The Last Unicorn, and other things I've greatly loved for years. It honestly bothers me when people make fun of things because it's degrading and insulting the fandoms and the fans. Low brow toilet humor jokes, taking things completely out of character, and stupid crack pairings is making fun of them. If it's a non canon pairing that makes sense for the characters, that's one thing and is fully acceptable for me, hell, I do that myself. But total OOC crack pairings or actions is, in my mind, making fun of them and degrading the characters. That's why I'm against such things.

I would be against it in any fandom, not just the ones I cherish. For example, I'm not into My Little Pony at all, but making fun of MLP bothers me because no one has the right to degrade someone else's fandom just because they don't like it or are not into it themselves. I don't like MLP because it's too girly and simplistic (art wise) for my tastes, but I don't make fun of it or its fans either. The whole "My fandom is better than your fandom!" crap needs to stop, as does the degradation and insults being thrown at each other. Everyone has their preferred fandoms and that's fine, let them have their fandoms.

Something I heard once among the Fetish community where I live that I find can be applied to any aspect of life, "Your Kink is not my Kink, but your Kink is okay." Replace the word "Kink" with any other term and it still applies - "Your Fandom is not my Fandom, but your Fandom is okay." Simple, straight forward, and frankly a much better attitude than "I hate your fandom so I'm going to make fun of and degrade you and your fandom and spread it all over the interwebs so I can slap you in the face with it at every opportunity!" It bothers me how hateful people are in general though, not just against fandoms and such. Not sure if any of that makes any sense, but there it is none the less.
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LethitaIzzy Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012  Student General Artist
But... I don't dislike the fandom or intend to make fun of or disrespect it at all - I love it. I just enjoy it differently than you do. So, agree to disagree then?

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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Of course. **smiles**
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FanGirlMary Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012
Thank you for posting this! It's definitely going to be a lot of help as are he image files of information that you have when I write future TF movieverse fan fiction stories on either fanfiction.net or here. Don't worry, I will remember to give you credit you for your ideas in the disclaimer. :huggle:
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
XD No problem and thanks very much.
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FanGirlMary Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012
You're welcome. :)
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JuniorTroll Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Student General Artist
Different people have different attitudes for things. C: It's never really stated in any of them- that I know of, I only know about TFA, TFP and the movies really so correct me if I'm wrong here- how they reproduce or have intercourse, except for perhaps in Revenge of the Fallen with the Hatchlings- but then people had to figure out how that came into play ETC. I've never read any of the comics either so XD forgive me if I make a mistake somewhere around here.

I do agree that some of it is a bit- idiotic in how they make things out to be. I don't mind seeing things where Transformers have sexual intercourse similar to humans, but not reproducing- because I don't exactly see how a metal being's body could extend for the gestation period then go back to being flat as before. ._.

You do bring up some great points and I do agree with most of what you say, but I think it's whatever floats there boat really. :shrug:

Crack pairings- they're supposed to be idiotic and not something you'd usually see. XD They're for the shits and giggles and nothing else MOST of the time.

People think what they want to think. Like how you have your opinion and others have theirs c:
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
**nods** Yeah, the main problem is people who do these crack pairings and are absolutely adamant that they are canon, or state that a canon pairing in one continuity applies to ALL continuities even though the actual canon story says otherwise or when one of the characters is not even IN that continuity. Let alone those who are adamant that a pairing is not canon when it in fact IS canon. O.o People are just really strange sometimes.

Then there are those who call others who pair their OC's with otherwise unattached canon characters disgusting or crazy or obscene for having an OC paired with a canon character, even going so far as to call that OC a "Mary Sue" or otherwise rudely insult or threaten the character or the person who created said character. If people want to pair off certain characters, whether OC or canon or both, fine, but do not say it's canon when it is not, and do not deny actual canon and say it's wrong.

As for the whole reproduction thing, I've researched actual canon on that and no, they do not reproduce sexually like humans do. Outside of the Allspark, they Spawn through Spark Bonding. I actually detailed that in one of my info sheets. In G1, some were built or went through a spontaneous "budding process", but outside of that, the Spark Bonding or forced Spawning is the only logical way they would based on canon and actually have it make sense. You can read more about that here --> [link] and here --> [link]
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pika Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hun, why don't you let it go already? It's like you're fighting an erupting volcano with a water balloon, all alone, trying to prevent it from destroying a town that's inevitable. I know how annoying and frustrating it can be, I really do, but I let them be. There will always be crack pairings that are beyond "canon, common sense and logic" and nowhere near how original creators have intended it to be, no matter the series. People want the smut the "human" way simply because that's how we work and it's easier to "have fun" with them that way. Of course Transformers having very similar appearance to humans: two arms, two legs, a head with a very human face, talking, acting, having feelings like us... are not making it any less easier to the fact that they're robots and not just humans disguised under armor. I know most of them facts of TFs and stuff, and if someone calls them wrong, makes them have fun their own way, creates pairings I had no clue could be even possible (these days I accept that any pairing is possible in fandom).. I don't care as long as the story is interesting.

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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Eh, I'm just sick of people insisting that it's "this way only" when their insistence is completely out of canon and out of character, especially when they do it to spite others and call them "obscene" or "disgusting" for having their OC paired with a canon character who is otherwise unattached in canon. O.o I am sick to death of people attacking and threatening others over a fan made character, let alone favoring a canon character. >.< It's beyond disturbing, it's bordering on psychotic behavior.
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pika Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That is kind of a double edged sword. We all have strong opinions, some just put it more politely up, some use more vulgar words. We all do that and sometimes we have double standards without even realizing it until someone says so. Fandoms are full of those x_x; I know you're aggressive about how correct things should be, and I've seen you being very insisting how other people are plain wrong. It's similar behavior to those who trash other people's OCs and canon pairings ect. but with very different reasons. I know I have double standards a lot, which are very situational in most cases, thank god -.-;;; I'd probably shoot my head off if it were more than that D: Like I hate the whole thing about OCs in series, and yet I'm doing comission with OC in it and my friend convinced me to create OCs into TF and I actually had fun creating them. :faint: I lost my point already, you know me... babbling things ._.;
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
XD Well, when I know I am right about something that is not a matter of opinion but is actually established fact, I will make that fact known. If it really is my opinion, I state it and move on, if I state it at all. At least that's how I try to be anyway. **shrugs** I see no problem with people having their own OC's in a fandom, doing drawings of them or writing stories about them, they're free to do that and no one has any right to tell them it's wrong or attack them for it. I think you can understand that particular point. XD
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pika Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, the difference in this stuff comes about stuffing the facts down someone's throat instead of accepting the fact that other half of the conversation is a nutcase who ain't listening X) If they don't know facts, it's their shame, not yours :3 The official comics that are published, their creators are basically adding OCs into it, since the only one who can make "real" TF characters is the first creator ever! :XD:
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL That's true. That is very true. XD I want to make real TF's, and you know who I'd start with. **snickers**
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Lady-ElitaOne Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I Agree Katt I am too... we both know about this and people just don't want to see the truth... Well at least we stick to cannon and work around that to make them have a life and make sure that we do not mess them up.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That's true. I'm very careful about that, as you well know.
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Lady-ElitaOne Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed and well you told me a lot Katt and well, I found it to be true and stick my it... ^^ just wish others would see the truth.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed. **nods**
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Lady-ElitaOne Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
^^Indeed^^
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KitsuneShukko Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Wow, thats quite the rant. o.o

I guess recent days haven't been going good for you Katt, when it comes to Transformers? I can understand how you feel when it comes to this (not Transformers specifically, but various other things) and I know how annoying and frustrating it can be. But wow, this is...

I hope you get a chance to calm down though, and hopefully just take a break from all that for a bit. It helps. ;;
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh I'm alright, I just get sick of the stupidity. >.< I mean, yeah, my bro Catalyst and I wrote the story pairing Soundwave and Knockout, but we talked about it extensively, at first just talking about the similarities and differences between them and how, in the final analysis, both are ultimately trapped by their own decisions. It evolved from there into the story we wrote. A lot of people seem to like that pairing, and that's cool. What I get tired of are the arbitrary pairings... >.< And the sex crazed thing is just disturbing... really...
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KitsuneShukko Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Oh okay, for a moment I thought you had popped a vein or something. ^^;; And Catalyst is awesome.

But I get what you mean, stuff like that always eats at my mind and drives me crazy, but honestly thats why I don't get to into lots of series or write fanfiction. >.< But heck, putting up with BS and stupidity like that, sorry. D:

Good to know you're alright though. ouo Although I suppose I worry too much when people rant like this. X.X
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL **hugs** It's all good hon. XD

I research a lot, especially things I want to know are actual fact, whether real world science research or fandom canon info. I'm very careful to cross reference information sources to get to the truth or seek out legitimate sources of information. I'm kind of a stickler about that. **shrugs**

Yeah, when I do rants, I mostly just type out what I know and some of what I feel, though I try to not get too worked up over it and writing rants helps with that. **grins**
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KitsuneShukko Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
*hugs back* Alright, thats good to know. :3 I definitely worry too much about these things, although doing research is always useful, I try to do that myself to make sure I know what I'm talking about if it comes up in conversation, heck I'll even cross reference with other people if I have to but I prefer to stay out of the fandom canon game.

I may be a Doctor Who fan, but I'm not gonna get into debates about whats canon and whether or not the new stuff is better or worse, or just as good as the old stuff. Its a freaking pain in the ass I don't want to experience. @_@

Still, good to know you're feeling better because of that rant.

But I've got something I actually want to discuss with you as well! ouo
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Sure, ask away hon. Can do so here or in private, your choice. **smiles**
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KitsuneShukko Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
That.... That.. Katt, you have NO IDEA, how suggestive you sound there, you really really don't, lol
I'd rather take about this privately though, I don't want to clog up your journal and I get kind of paranoid when it comes to certain ideas and such in my head that I don't want others to find out.

I'd suggest doing it over some sort of messenger service, but I doubt you'd want to, but I don't know, whats your preference for private discussions?
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL Well, it was not intentional. XD

I'm cool with it either in notes or IM. I'll note you what my IM is and we'll go from there.
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