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Where Worlds Collide and Galaxies Sing...




You know, I really get sick and tired of people insisting that things are canon when they are not.  Take the whole Optimus Prime x Elita One thing for example.  I have looked this up and frankly, everyone who insists on pairing them together outside of the G1 continuity is quite misguided.  They were ONLY ever together in G1, while in Shattered Glass Elita One was with Hotrod and in the live movie continuity she was apparently interested in Sideswipe.  And Elita One is not and never was a Prime!  >.<  Seriously, do your research, people!  The glyph on the side of the purple motorcycle in Revenge of the Fallen is the one listed as the letter "O", the "Prime" glyph is listed as the letter "Q".  There is a big difference there.  Seriously.  --> leathurkatt.deviantart.com/art…

In fact, Elita was actually mad at Optimus, calling him selfish for accepting the title and responsibilities as Prime, and was angry at him because she died and when she was resurrected she had yet more Decepticons she had to kill, plus expressing jealousy that when Optimus died his friends cared about him, but thinks no one cared about her when she was killed.  Read Transformers - Dark of the Moon: Foundations and Transformers - Dark of the Moon: Rising Storm.  It tells you all of that in there, and those are Hasbro licensed IDW official canon comics, not some random fan fic or knockoff manga somewhere.  O.o  Also, Ironhide was not with Chromia in the movie continuity either, they were only together in G1 as well.

People seriously need to get over what happened in G1 and stop mixing continuity story-lines.  Taking one character and rewriting their history to bring them from G1 to Movie Verse for an RP is one thing, hell Hasbro did that just to MAKE the live movies in the first place.  But mixing continuity story-lines and claiming that what happened in one continuity is canon for ALL of them is beyond misguided.  As is the claims that Optimus and Elita are "brother and sister" because Alpha Trion repaired and rebuilt Orion Pax and Ariel in the episode "War Dawn", and that Alpha Trion is their Father.  It would be the same as saying that a couple who are in a car wreck and are saved (put back together) by the same doctor are suddenly brother and sister and that the doctor who saved them is somehow their father.  Hello, it doesn't work that way.  In G1, Optimus Prime and Elita One are NOT brother and sister, they are a bonded couple, and while Alpha Trion is looked on as a father figure by both of them, he is NOT their Father, he did NOT spawn them from his own Spark.

And this whole insistence on crack pairings is insane.  Take TF Prime Arcee for example, she is not and will never be interested in ANY Decepticon, EVER!  And just because Arcee and Optimus were freezing to death and she said "It's been an honor serving with you." does NOT mean they are a couple!  There is a LOT more "subtext" of Arcee being interested in or paired with Cliffjumper (or Tailgate for that matter) than that one scene with her and Optimus, never mind the fact that there's a LOT more "subtext" between Arcee and Bumblebee; Bee showing concern when she was dizzy from the Dark Energon and him helping her to the bath, Bee jumping and catching her to carry her back through the ground bridge, Arcee trying to keep Bee calm when Raf was injured, among quite a few other scenes in just the first season.  If we remember that in G1 and in the live movie continuity, Bumblebee was Cliffjumper's "kid brother", and if we follow that reasoning into TF Prime (Cliffjumper and Bumblebee rescued Arcee from Airachnid in the flashback scene in "Predatory"), it would make sense that Arcee would have some attachment to Bumblebee as Cliffjumper's little brother, kind of a big sister little brother sort of thing if nothing else.  And it was stated in canon in the episode "Stronger Faster" that Breakdown very clearly has a thing for Airachnid.  Stop trying to pair him with Knockout already!  It's just as wrong as trying to pair Ratchet and Bulkhead together just because they work together, or saying Optimus and Megatron were lovers just because they once shared a common goal of freedom for all their kind against an oppressive Caste System.  Being friends or partners on missions or in combat does NOT make them lovers, people.  Seriously.

Transformers fans REALLY need to stop with this obsession over sex, crack pairings, and Transformers having sex the way humans do.  They are NOT organic beings, they are ROBOTS!  Not only that, they are ALIEN ROBOTS!  And outside of recreational pleasure among techno organics in Beast Wars and Beast Machines, Transformers do not have sex or reproduce like organic creatures do.  Trying to make Transformers out to have or do things like we do is completely human egocentric garbage.  Try reading what I have compiled and written based on canon and expanded based on logic and real science before you start making such erroneous claims about Transformers intimacy and reproduction --> leathurkatt.deviantart.com/jou…

Or better yet, DO SOME ACTUAL RESEARCH OF YOUR OWN!



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LethitaIzzy Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Student General Artist
Ah, I should've read more of the comments below mine, I see what you meant - and for sure, I agree. I try to always make sure I've either done my homework, or disclaim that I don't KNOW the right answer and my ideas may not be the "right" or the "only" way. Hopefully that means we'll get along? Because I'm enjoying the interesting things you're bringing up.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
**nods** It's always best to do one's homework on things, no matter what it is. I think we'll get along quite well. **smiles** I like making new friends after all.
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LethitaIzzy Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Student General Artist
This was definitely an interesting read. It's nice to see the opinions of someone from other side of the spectrum that I usually come across, for sure.

Let me make sure I'm correct: the insistence that certain pairings, methods of reproduction/sex, and so forth ARE canon is what actually bothers you, not that these fan-interpretations exist at all, right? As in, so long as we don't go around trying to tell everyone that these things are pure canon, and we acknowledge that some of our ideas are not correct according to the cartoons/comics/continuities, it's okay to have them? Or was the rant more intended to say that no one should be entertaining non-canonical ideas at all? (I doubt that's what you meant, but you still lost me a little bit, there. I don't know you very well yet, so I just wanted to clarify. Please don't take it the wrong way!)

Either way, from having been a long-time participant in a lot of changing and growing fanbases, I have learned one thing for sure - part of being a fan of anything is being able to let go when other fans enjoy the same thing in a different way. My one nitpick for you is that some of us, especially newcomers to any fandom (and there will be newcomers as long as the media is available to new watchers), may not be aware that there IS research to do on the subject, or that we could get ourselves into such hot water with other fans by "getting it wrong." Still, I certainly relate to your frustration with people wrongly interpreting their own impressions as canon, and I like what you had to say here very much. It's a refresher and a relief to see I'm not the only one who's had these thoughts. Thank you~
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
My only issue with fan pairings are those that are completely out of character for the characters involved. IE "crack pairings" or pairings that make zero sense between the characters at all, like Arcee with any Decepticon (she would sooner kill said Decepticon than get in bed with any of them), or anyone paired with Starscream (considering even his own Trine mates hate him). That is what I have issues with, as well as people insisting that the pairings they come up with are canon when they are not, like insisting that Knockout and Breakdown are a canon couple when they are not and never were anything more than working partners. I even point out that Breakdown very clearly stated in canon that he was "intrigued by" Airachnid, making it very clear he was interested in her as more than just a co-worker, yet I get people insisting that I am utterly wrong and that Knockout and Breakdown are a romantic couple who share a bed and interface with each other every night. **facepalms** What people seem to not comprehend is the fact that "working partners do NOT equal bed mates" yet they insist that it does. **shakes head**
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LethitaIzzy Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012  Student General Artist
Everything you said is true, first of all.

Still, while I agree that we shouldn't try to pass off our own ideas as canon, I also don't think we need to limit the ideas we have or the ways we enjoy something. I absolutely see where you're coming from, but I must respectfully disagree on just that one part. YES, out of respect for the things we all are coming together to appreciate, we should be big enough to recognize and admit when our ideas aren't part of the widely-accepted story, BUT there's also nothing wrong with enjoying and sharing ideas that aren't true to a certain media's universe.

Besides, some of it is just enjoyment for enjoyment's sake, and it's okay not to take everything deadly seriously, at least sometimes. There's a place for serious canon, semi-canon, research-lacking misinterpreted canon, AUs, crack, and everything in between. That's part of having a fandom, and no one can blame you or anybody else for having your preferred part of it - least of all me, since I participate in the entire spectrum. I like by-the-manual canon, and I like completely weird and crack-tastic things too. I just hope despite our different outlooks, it's still cool that I'm starting to look up to you as an interesting and informative fan.
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I can understand that people have their own interests and likes, and I don't hold any of that against them. But for me, to go into stupidity like spoofs and OOC crack pairings, low brow Neanderthal toilet humor, and other things of that nature with something I have dearly loved since childhood, it's insulting and degrading to the characters and stories I cherish and frankly a slap in the face against me and what I love.

Take Star Wars for example. I grew up with Star Wars and love the original trilogy. I even had a crush on Luke Skywalker when I was 8 or 9 and dressed up as Admiral Akbar for Halloween one year (and got mad because everyone kept calling me E.T.). I can not stand the spoof movie Space Balls at all. I've seen it once, I was honestly disgusted by it and will never watch it again. It was a slap in the face to me and the characters I loved, making fun of them for no reason than to degrade and insult a fandom and its devoted fans.

It's the same with Transformers, Star Trek, Knight Rider, Airwolf, Thundercats, Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, Lord of the Rings, Beast Master, Planet of the Apes, Labyrinth, The Dark Crystal, The Muppets (or any other Jim Henson production really), Watership Down, The Secret of NIMH, The Last Unicorn, and other things I've greatly loved for years. It honestly bothers me when people make fun of things because it's degrading and insulting the fandoms and the fans. Low brow toilet humor jokes, taking things completely out of character, and stupid crack pairings is making fun of them. If it's a non canon pairing that makes sense for the characters, that's one thing and is fully acceptable for me, hell, I do that myself. But total OOC crack pairings or actions is, in my mind, making fun of them and degrading the characters. That's why I'm against such things.

I would be against it in any fandom, not just the ones I cherish. For example, I'm not into My Little Pony at all, but making fun of MLP bothers me because no one has the right to degrade someone else's fandom just because they don't like it or are not into it themselves. I don't like MLP because it's too girly and simplistic (art wise) for my tastes, but I don't make fun of it or its fans either. The whole "My fandom is better than your fandom!" crap needs to stop, as does the degradation and insults being thrown at each other. Everyone has their preferred fandoms and that's fine, let them have their fandoms.

Something I heard once among the Fetish community where I live that I find can be applied to any aspect of life, "Your Kink is not my Kink, but your Kink is okay." Replace the word "Kink" with any other term and it still applies - "Your Fandom is not my Fandom, but your Fandom is okay." Simple, straight forward, and frankly a much better attitude than "I hate your fandom so I'm going to make fun of and degrade you and your fandom and spread it all over the interwebs so I can slap you in the face with it at every opportunity!" It bothers me how hateful people are in general though, not just against fandoms and such. Not sure if any of that makes any sense, but there it is none the less.
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LethitaIzzy Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012  Student General Artist
But... I don't dislike the fandom or intend to make fun of or disrespect it at all - I love it. I just enjoy it differently than you do. So, agree to disagree then?

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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Of course. **smiles**
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FanGirlMary Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012
Thank you for posting this! It's definitely going to be a lot of help as are he image files of information that you have when I write future TF movieverse fan fiction stories on either fanfiction.net or here. Don't worry, I will remember to give you credit you for your ideas in the disclaimer. :huggle:
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Leathurkatt-TFTiggy Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
XD No problem and thanks very much.
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